A new study published in January pitted a ketogenic, low carb, animal-based diet against a plant-based, low fat diet in a fully controlled environment. A lot of …
A new study published in January pitted a ketogenic, low carb, animal-based diet against a plant-based, low fat diet in a fully controlled environment. A lot of …
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A quickie down by the river; one-take explainer on an interesting study. I'll be honest with you, after the first few hours I'm not going to check the comments on this one. But I dream of a day where ketonauts will be able to join hands with veganists as brothers and sisters, not divided by what it is on their plate, but united by the fact it is free of processed food. Keep it civil please.
Edit: thanks for those pointing out the typo at 00:07:14 – should read "this does not imply it is the ONLY option…". The downside of trying to do the whole video in a hurry in one day!
I'm doing a mixed keto/low carb and partial vegan diet. They eat a lot of food for not a lot of calories. I eat low meat portion size and large veg size. I have never been a religious follower of keto anyway, when they say you can't eat bananas and carrots or a steamed spud. Well I think carrots are healthy and bananas and spuds are too good to ditch. I eat smaller portions of the high carb foods.
It's good to hear you can lose fat even though you've spiked insulin. You gotta love veg to do vegan though truely LOL
The keto participants ate the vegans. So the keto diet lost because they gained weight.
Nice balanced content and good advice.
I had no ideia captain Haddock was so knowledgeable of the ways of medicine.
Vegan vs. Keto? Isn't that a bit like Creationism vs. Evolution?
P.S.: It's hard to trust a study that claims that people ate vegan and reported being satisfied and not hungry.
P.P.S.: I examined the study and something is fishy here. At face value, it all looks great. Sample size is a bit small, but the data collection and methodology are all stellar. But the results seem wrong. And I don't mean just a little wrong, I don't just mean challenging my previous speculation, I mean flying in the face of large amounts of data and evidence I have to the contrary. The claim that the people eating the vegan diet took in fewer calories is easily believable on its own–assuming they also reported feeling hungrier and less satisfied. In fact in my own experience talking to lots of people about their experiences eating, it is very common to come across people who are rather dissatisfied with plant-oriented diets. I myself have been unable to cut meat out of my diet without experiencing growing cravings for it and a lack of satisfaction from food. So to hear that they felt equally satisfied by both diets is highly suspect and strongly sounds like it wasn't a disinterested sample. Keep in mind I frequently listen to people, just whatever they want to tell me, and lots of people are more than willing to spill the beans on their life to someone who will listen and not judge. I hear a LOT of gossip about virtually everything. When I say those answers sound suspect, I'm drawing from what I've seen and heard of hundreds of people in many varied situations. I've seen many patterns. And I've even been in a food-controlled study. In fact I've been in several other food-controlled environments as well. These are NOT the way normal people respond to these circumstances.
I also found it odd that the participants both gained weight as well as lost fat. Over only two weeks, they aren't likely to gain muscle unless perhaps they were so bored they all just worked out constantly. But as I said before, I've been in a food-controlled study and people were definitely less active on average than in their normal daily lives. Even I was, and I'm usually sedentary. We all lost significant weight in that period, even though the study was actually just a drug trial. People tend to lose weight when their diet changes, especially muscle when their diet is less than satisfactory–which it usually is any time it's forced to change and options are limited. People have to get used to the new foods, and that takes more than a couple weeks.
But I found it especially odd that reportedly the participants on the vegan diet gained weight while losing the most fat. Such change could be explained either as water retention or muscle gain. If it were water retention, it would undoubtedly reflect negatively on their well-being questionnaires, which is a result I do not see indicated. But one of the most well-substantiated details about a vegan diet is that the lack of protein (even if you choose the most protein-rich plants) stunts muscle growth and makes it rather difficult to gain muscle mass. Vegans everywhere are thin and lanky. Muscular people claiming to be vegans are frequently shown to be lying and/or cheating.
I don't know much about Keto but I do know a fair handful about Vegan dieting, and I am especially familiar with people and how they react to various situations, and I am telling you, something is very fishy about this study. I strongly doubt the accuracy of its claims and ask for a larger sample size.
Can't we all just get along? Welcome to the modern world where belonging to a cult is the most important thing you can do next to "owning" the opposition. This applies not only to diet wars but to life in general…..
No need to apologise for the wind noise. That can easily happen on a plant based diet 😀
you look sick
You threw in a massive assumption. You stated without any supporting evidence that the reason the plant based eaters ate less was because of the volume of the food. I highly doubt that is true. In my experience the body controls the brain and decides what it wants based on a range of factors including signaling pathways related to what was in the food, exercise, food volume, timing and more and I suspect that food volume actually plays a fairly small role. It is far more likely that there is something about the difference in content that affected how much they chose to eat. Diets are complex because of the many goals you might have and the effect of psychology. Some may just want healthy food, others may want to loose or even gain weight etc. And worst of all, even after we decide what we want, and choose the foods we believe will get us there, our body often overrides the brains logical planning and causes us to actually eat something completely different. Successful diets tend to involved coming to understand your bodies cravings, which foods cause them, and which foods don't and other techniques to stop your brain from overriding you logical plans such as simply not having certain foods readily available, or finding something distracting to do at particular times of day.
"Eat REAL food, not too much, mostly plants." (Michael Pollan, in his book "The Omnivore's Dilemma").
I don’t think two weeks on a keto diet is long enough to prove the fat loss that happens. The first two weeks is just going to be water weight. I’ve eaten a keto diet for a year now because my energy level is higher. I’ve never tried a vegan diet but I feel like the crash I get from carbs is not worth switching
So you tell people to eat as much as they want, which obviously favors plant based foods since human digestive system is terrible at processing plants (it's the sole reason they are low calorie), and conclude that people eating way more calories of meat and losing less fat is bad and eating plants is good. Complete trash.
Restrict caloric intake to the same amounts and try again for a fair study.
Did the study measure dietary effect on thyroid function?
I believe no diet is the worst diet you can be on.
Having complete freedom to eat anything will get you eating chips and ice cream pretty quick.
One thing about keto I like is it holds you partially accountable for your choices.
You mess up, you break your ketosis and feel bad after.
it's just enough leverage to give you the momentum to push forward.
With a growing number of perfectly healthy vegans, there is obviously no need for any such studies. If you have a growing number of vegans around you as city dwellers do, y'know.
I'm diabetic and eat low carb. However i do watch portions, not just go ham. I did lose 40 lb doing this and now have a bmi of 19. I guess what you should do as an individual depends on a lot of variables.
vegan: you will lose your hair and some teeth
keto: you will lose your mind
I think the point is…which diet would the cows, chickens, and fish prefer people eat?
I volunteer for trial 2
Swapping over to a pure fat burning diet takes time, one meal a day is easy done once fully adapted.
I personally subscribe to a "Vegan Keto" diet.
I only eat naturally grown vegans.
The part I have a hard time understanding is equal levels of satisfaction with a low fat diet.
I have eaten low fat diets, they certainly did not satisfy me the same.
I eat and enjoy vegetables without fats, but low and no fat meals leave me feeling unfed.
Interesting, and honestly i dont think keto advocates really would be stuborn to think that Keto is gonna be the fastest of all diets… i think it mostly has to do with how easy or sustainable it is, specially when you are very overweight or diabetic. After many years of experience, i am conviced that Keto/Atkins style diet, is the most succesful diet when you are very obese/diabetic, and as you lose weight and get into more "normal" weight or even lower body weights, it would be recommended to transition to a more traditional diet
Italians eat tons of pasta and most of them are lean. What they dont eat is f*** McDonald's every day.
Long term – every single animal-based keto diet study led to early onset chronic disease – whereas plant based keto has the opposite effect. Don't trust short term studies.
Thank you for this video! I am a nurse and have been saying this same thing. Do not eat processed food. Eat real food and you will have so many benefits and not spend all your time agonizing about your diet.
@7:25 the reason there is a big divide is because vegan isn't a diet, it is an ethical stance. Plant-based is a diet. Vegan is a stance against the unnecessary exploitation of animals, so they will inherently be against keto diets as those diets are heavily meat based. The words vegan and plant-based are not interchangeable, all vegans are plant-based, but not all plant-based are vegan.
if you're a type A or AB blood then vegetarian/vegen…if you're type O or B blood then keto…A and AB's do terribly on Keto diets
Maybe the vegan diet had more fiber and it was more satiating. Just a hunch
you barely are in ketosis after 14 days so loss of fat weight should kick in later.
I think the worst thing about the keto "diet" is that it is being viewed as a "diet" I've been a vegetarian since I was 14 and I've been on keto for 7 years for medical reasons. Both have helped me be so much healthier and helped the medical issues that I was struggling with. But I didn't lose weight on either diet. The only thing that was interesting was that once I started keto my weight stabilized. I used to go up and down about 15 lbs no matter what I was doing. Never over weight but always fluctuating. And now my wight is really stable.
What were the specific criticisms regarding the sample size being too small? If the effect size of an intervention is high, a small sample size is fine. Not to ignore the fact that, especially for many interventions, a large sample size for 1 or 2 positive outcomes is more a sign of a rather inefficient intervention (as always exceptions exists). Whereas in the case for negative outcomes (see Covid vector vaccine related clots, statin myopathie) the rarity can demand extremely high numbers.
Best example for a small sample size would be an effective treatment for symptomatic rabies, which requires a sample size of 1 (if now really stretches it go with 2).