UK nutritionist Emma Derbyshire wrote a paper in the BMJ attacking plant-based diets on the grounds of choline which spurred a …
UK nutritionist Emma Derbyshire wrote a paper in the BMJ attacking plant-based diets on the grounds of choline which spurred a …
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Mike I like you and I've been a vegan for 8 years, but I do believe that there are nutrients in eggs that fill in the gaps for some people on a vegan diet. Specifically vitamin k2, and pro vitamin A. Yes I understand the whole conversion debate but there are people who don't convert enough and having to rely on a conversion for such important nutrients can be dangerous. I feel the ethical vegans (which I'm one of) are allowing their emotional bias to dismiss a lot of information simply to claim nothing is needed on a vegan diet and I think when you do that you lear on the side of endangering peoples health.
Well you look fucking awful, pal, as do majority of vegans,
Why don’t you post how much choline you eat in a day
I'm glad I watched this video! the "vegan diet is deficient in choline" articles really got me, I was just about to buy a supplement.
you are amazing..
👏👏👏👏👏👏💚💚💚💚
Thanks so much for keeping us informed!
The whole grain I found to have the highest amount of choline is oatmeat w/ 40 mg / 100g. That's 379 cals / 100 g.
Your sample vegan meal had the choline amounts completely wrong and exxagerated lol.
Is not like many people care about the various diseases when they eat meat, then all of sudden they are concern about not getting enough choline….. #101excusesjustnottobevegan poor animals
Thoughts on choline and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease? A healthline article recommends 450mg, which seems not possible with any diet.
Also, I’m only seeing 43 mg of choline in 1 cup of cooked quinoa. I think you’ve inflated those numbers on accident.
Way to go Mike expose these snakes .
Can you get too much choline on a WFPB vegan diet?
Thank you
What about anti nutrients
Mic your coloring does not look healthy. I am not tying to be mean but your skin tone is yellowish green. When I look at meat based nutritionist their skin, eyes, and hair look so much healthier. They also seem much calmer. Your tone, countenance, and coloring are not healthy looking.
The media is coordinated to simultaneously make companies millions and millions, and to disseminate communist propaganda.
Meat also contains choline, not just eggs.
You have chosen the highest vegan sources of choline as an example meal; most people don't eat all those high choline food every day as that would decrease versatility of what a person eats. And I'm saying that as a vegan (am supplementing choline, though, among many other things, despite a healthy versatile vegan diet).
I’m just scared you know, I really REALLT want to be vegan with all my heart. I suffered from severe anxiety attacks last year and I don’t want it to happen again
MY THEORY : It's not brain fog it's the mind in its natural present state, humans aren't supposed to retain copious amounts of pointless information about the future or the past, only what is important to present survival, I don't know about you but I only get brain fog with things that aren't very important and I very rarely get it with something that is important…
The best way I can describe what I mean…
the idea in my mind is our brain cells retain blueprint information that are vital instincts to survival (i.e food, sex, movement etc),..
but it also can hold onto extra information that can is lost once the cell dies and is reborn or copied, once it is reborn or copied the cell retains what is necessary (the blueprint survival information) but loses or holds less of the petty information..
Now then, the cells have a percentage of fat and the amount of fat dictates how long you can retain information, i.e having high amounts of fat in the brain cells not only increases the amount of information that can be stored but also slows down the cells birth and death cycle thus retaining the extra information for longer giving us the result of remembering things for longer..
this is why majority of the world who eat fatty foods like meat and dairy have no problem remembering lots of pointless information (and seeing as it's the majority of society it technically makes it the standard)..
but us vegans who are outside the standard on the other hand eat very low amounts of fat, so we have cells that go through their life cycles at a faster rate and retain less extra unnecessary information because the low content of fat in the cell giving us the result of remembering less uneccasary information compared to the standard, thus springs the term brain fog or memory loss..
Maybe this whole idea of brain fog is just another way to throw shade on veganism and get us believing that if we are unable to retain huge amounts of information then we will suffer, especially in a world where we have been convinced we need to know so much but in reality we know knowing little is better..
just think a moment.. if we had no technology, no ideologies, no politics, no discrimination, lived only to eat, socialise and multiply then would we really need to remember half the information we so dearly believe we need to hold onto on a daily basis?
would it pose a threat to our survival?
And most importantly if your not preoccupied with the past and the future because your brain doesn't care to think about them then you have no choice but to live in the present moment and use your gut feelings to navigate the world, aren't we beginning to realise thats the most satisfying way to live? In the moment…
I for one think so.
So I'm vegan and don't want to gamble with my health, I also study nutrition at uni so I am learning conventional mainstream nutritonal science.
My curiosity is sure there is choline in plant foods (broccoli, quinoa, soy, mushrooms etc), but there is nowhere near enough to get close to even 400mg of choline a day which is still less than the recommended amount for a woman. 43mg from quinoa + 58mg from mushrooms + pinto beans 30mg + peanut butter 11mg + broccoli 31mg + 1 cup of soy milk 57mg + halfa cup of tofu 35mg = 265mg and that's taking into account if you're eating all of those foods every day, it's way under the recommended amount. I'm a guy (2 meters tall, 105kgs, highly athletic), my recommended daily intake is 550mg, though given my size and how under studied choline is I probably need a bit more than 550mg. With 265mg of choline each day (roughly half the daily intake for a guy) on the above foods, shouldn't everyone following a vegan diet also take a choline supplement?
Does soy milk have choline?
dont try to convince me Big Brother, I ve already (some year ago) commented (on his FB) about serious contradiction of Mic, accusing american pediatrics of preventing vegan families from diet of their children to assure healthy dietary intake of nutrients, by him posting the source of information from MD Web that actually DID included vegan option. I dont remember the exact video title , but you can find it.
So, don't take a choline supplement?
I think the Choline pushers should be ashamed of themselves inciting fear with their lies 😪🤮🌍🤬
Cronometer says 1 cup cooked pinto beans + 1 cup cooked broccoli + 1 cup cooked quinoa = 132 mg Choline.
What website/app/tool do you use to calculate choline content in food. I'm using Chronometer and am getting 166.2g of choline and 532 calories from the foods and amounts provided at 9:49.
Thank you for clarifying this… your videos are the best and love how thorough you are! It is terrible how articles like that take off when they have such a huge bias. I wish everyone could be motivated by truly understanding health and not trying to profit off of people's misunderstanding :-/ Appreciate all you do!
Our generation are vegetarian don't even eat eggs…for thousands of years…
I just watched a video called “vegan brain damage compilation” and now I am really confused could you please make a video about it
How can something be only found in animal foods if at some point a herbivore must have consumed it or allowed it to be made. lol
But from a just logic stand point I NEVER saw one serious competent doctor recommend you stop eating vegetables and leaves. I do see many of them logically and very reasonably advocating stop eating meat. So, I am in peace with my choices.
Sunflower lecithin is a good supplement form for choline
Spoiler alert: both sides of any argument use science to back their claims, believe they are righteous, and make money off of espousing beliefs to the masses. Also: immortality doesn’t exist.
In the video the choline is in raw pinto beans at 9:14 into video and not canned beans. Canned beans have ½ the choline (60mg) per cup. This means to get 400 mg of choline would require eating 400/60 = 6.66 cups of beans per day—my stomach is not large enough to consume this quantity of beans or other plant foods to get this amount of choline in one day. Also it would be 244*6.66 = 1625 calories per day to get this one nutrient from beans—not reasonable. My nominal caloric intake is 1500 calories per day—CRON.
The 400 mg choline target appears to be a good number to shoot for. However, it does not take into account epigenetic variability. There is genetic variability in choline requirements as noted in:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3601486/
Some people require more than the adequate input suggestion. Supplementing appears to help many people lower their homocysteine, triglycerides and cholesterol while being on a vegan diet. Here are two paper detailing this variability:
1. Kohlmeier M, da Costa KA, Fischer LM, et al. Genetic variation of folate-mediated one-carbon transfer pathway predicts susceptibility to choline deficiency in humans. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2005;102:16025–16030.
2. da Costa KA, Kozyreva OG, Song J, et al. Common genetic polymorphisms affect the human requirement for the nutrient choline. Faseb J. 2006;20:1336–1344.
PS. As little as 100 gm of beef liver provides 420 mg of choline meeting the Adequate Input requirement. Or simply 2 eggs together with a baseline plant based diet satisfies the Adequate Input requirement.
PPS. I am primarily vegan and supplement choline. However, I am not opposed to keeping my mind open to the possibilities diet modifications for personal longevity with vitality.
I use Cronometer. What should I tell it is my target choline level? It currently defaults to 500 mg. Probably way too much!
Please do a video on Abbey Sharp (aka. Abbey’s kitchen)!
I have mental health issues but refuse pills. Have tried a vegan diet multiple times and my husband says it makes me crazy. So I believe the link.
Well, if you're having a baby, get some good supplements. Problem solved. … I mean, let's be honest: I wouldn't trust myself to eat always just reasonable foods, so I'd rather be safe than sorry and take a supplement.
Let me just mention Fiona Oakes for a change 😀
Whenever I need answers I look to you Mic the Vegan! Thank-you for this video.
What about Soya Lecithin for the brain?
We don’t need a paper to see what Veganism does to people’s brains. Veganism is over, buddy!
Thank you! Please disregard my last question! 🙂
I'm mostly plant based, but beef liver with onions is amazing.
So if a study is funded by any meat industry I can't believe it. And if you do a study funded by plant industry. I can't believe it? Hokey dokey
I believe she's also received funding from the SCBSD….The Society for Clubbing Baby Seals to Death.