Hi Mic, I've read the entire academic textbook on intuitive eating and looked at the research. If you look at what intuitive eating ACTUALLY is is not just "eating what you want". They even discuss about veganism and vegetarianism and how to navigate that from a place of intuitive eating. Just thought you should know that this is discussed. Additionally, they talk about all of the concerns that you mentioned and how to navigate cravings vs actual signs of hunger. Finally, they also discuss gentle nutrition as a later part of the practice. I honestly think you would enjoy reading the actual textbook on it which also discusses raising children. I certainly don't think IE is 100% perfect, but I think a lot of your concerns are legitimate and discussed in the actual theory text.
The more I hear her story, the more my eyes are rolling. And yet again, the term “intuitive eating” is being used to mean “eating what I crave.” And also, when veganism is about anything other than the animals, the commitment is false. And that includes “spiritual veganism.” What also happens, all the time, is whenever a vegan gets sick, they are told to eat animal products as a cure all. It’s why I avoid telling doctors I’m vegan if I don’t think they are vegan-friendly. I want my ailments to be taken seriously. I got IBS from stress, and imagine if a doctor said it was because I wasn’t eating eggs. And naturopaths and alt med doctors seem to be the first to throw an egg at someone. But towards the end, she really got the real issue—she wanted the “choices” because not eating animals felt like a restriction to her. That is part of the psychology that separates an ethical vegan from a non-vegan. I think many plant based eaters, for years, still have a subtle belief that they are restricting themselves. Also when veganism is treated like not only a diet but a cure-all and prevent-all, people seem to act betrayed that they get sick while vegan, even if the sickness is MOLD! Like veganism does not prevent mold-based illness or STIs. It can prevent heart disease, but that’s just one way of getting sick.
Another person who is vegan and an IE is Pick Up Limes. She has a free PDF handout about IE. What I also don’t understand is that when vegans crave something that is usually made with animal parts, why not eat the vegan version! Like, if I’m craving a “meaty” burger I’m going to eat a Beyond burger. Because I’m not going to eat an animal.
The only problem with Intuitive Eating is that the dietitians who coined the term didn’t trademark it, so people call whatever they crave IE. That’s not what it means. The only way to understand it is to read the book by the dietitians who coined the term. And there are vegan intuitive eaters. Taylor Wolfram is a vegan RD who promotes intuitive eating. A better description would be “eat when you’re hungry until comfortably full.” The RDs who coined the term do promote “gentle nutrition” but they mention it as one of the last principles, because its clearly geared to people with disordered eating or who have such a hardcore diet mentality that they ignore hunger cues and consider anything unhealthy. Or people who are “unconscious eaters” so they don’t pay attention to hunger cues. IE can help people with binge eating disorders. And it can be done as a vegan. But the caveat is that when you’re truly vegan, as in it’s internalized the ethical framework of knowing that animals matter morally, you don’t see animals as food. With vegan IE, I give myself permission to eat vegan ice cream, Beyond sausage, and vegan food with oil in it. I still don’t eat meat, dairy, eggs, or drink alcohol. But I think anyone who read the book on intuitive eating would also do well to read the book The Pleasure Trap. And also, *eat enough calories.” Many “ex-vegans” aren’t craving meat, they are craving calories. Eat enough carbs to energize the body! Eat enough protein to feel full. And you don’t need to eat animals to do that.
The problem I have with intuitive eating is it is usually the F-at as F's that are saying that they need to be intuitive.. NO they need a slight calorie deficit. Listening to your body is how you got to be f-at as F. Those that are underweight, anything to help promote them to eat more would be good.
See how one answer isn't the answer for all.. That is just 2 groups and there are more. We are each unique and have our own trials and tribulations that we need to go through to get to where we want to be.
Also I know, some people have eating di-sor-ders and it requires more then just eating less/more. My whole stick is on the whole intuitive part.
That being said I can be rather obsessive, so for me relaxing that some helps. I still keep track because I don't want to be a land whale nor do I want to be a twig. Calories count, so I count them. (har har bad pun). Seriously thou, I eat Whole Food Plant based because I want to live to be an old fart. First was purely for health, but as I walked the walk and went on my journey I learned so much more. How it helps reduce my footprint, and also the humanity to other living sentient beings.
At times I think these people who jump on these bandwagons with little research are the same people who only read the headlines and think no one lies to them. I could go into other demographics but I think I made the point without getting political. (blah no politics please the dirty dirty smear merchants are on overtime)
Mic, keep on the great work! You nail it scientifically, but maybe holisticly, not soo 😉 Cheers from a 99,9 % Vegan.
To intuitiv eating: In order to really intuitiv eat, i think you have to exercise and meditate and live very consciously, so you really feel yourself and your body. also before and after you ate something, so you can track it by yourself. plus: intuitiv eating doesn't mean, that you can't use science to improve or nail it down, what you already are feeling/experiencing. i think inuition is deeper and better than science ("what we know is a drop, what we don't know is an oecan" – newton #1scientist philosopher), but sadly intuition is off for 90% of people, especially if you were raised on a horrible diet, like the standard american diet. you will associate comfort with certain unhealthy and addictive foods.
ps. you wanna eat and live holistic. so feel and think. before and after. use intuition and science. yin and yang.
More and more, my impression gets reinforced: You can tell a lot about how credible a person is, not just by critically analyzing what they say, but by noticing HOW they say it. For example: Yoga girl does not come off as especially credible in this respect.
While I think that this example of Yoga Girl is just her cheap excuse to go on exploiting animals for the good of her own tastebuds, I still belief that there is also a truth to the belief that our body has the wisdom to know what we need in certain situations. I agree, that our cravings are often result in eating foods rich in calories, but sometimes this makes sense too. But I also experienced different kinds of cravings myself, like I wanted to eat nothing but foods rich in anthocyanins like blueberries, right before I found out, that I had cancer. Or that I always crave cauliflower right before I realize, that I caught a cold.
I think, intuitive eating only applies (or SHOULD apply) to whole foods. If you crave any other food, that is, most processed foods, that's just cravings.
I know it is pertinent to the story, but I always hate having to listen to people like her spewing their wooh wooh lack of knowledge. It's like being stuck at some friend's place where all these people are offering nutritional knowledge that they got from Dr. Oz.
i think you are missing the part of "listening to your body" that doesn't mean eat whatever you crave in the moment. it means when you do eat a bunch of junk, feel miserable the next day. listen to that and the next time you get a craving question if you want to feel that way the next day again. it's about listening to how your body responds to food
"Theres such a freedom in having a choice".. Such a wierd thing to say about eating animals or their "products" for someone who has been vegan for 12 yrs.. The poor animals have neither? 🙁
Has there ever been a cave painting depicting a salad? Many of you vegan fools WILL end up eating meat, because your body will demand it. I understand your reasons, but veganism is not optimal for health. You can fool yourself all you want but you must eat animals for the best health.
Quite honestly, I would have so much more respect for people like Yoga Girl if they just admitted they wanted to eat animal products. Stop with the lame arguments and convoluted, nonsensical nutritional explanations. I get it: people might miss their old foods, or they have forgotten how fresh the horror was re: what is done to animals that they experienced when they first were learning about veganism. Also, I think some people just get tired of swimming against stream, being different as vegans. That happened to my own sister and her entire family. I was shocked when they were at my house and her husband started making a ham and cheese sandwich. I was alarmed, pointing out it wasn't vegan, and he just sort of gestured with his hand that it was okay. I later thought: how does an entire family, at the same time, change their morals? I get one person changing, but all of them? I don't know what to make of it at times…. vegans like to say that if a person relapses, then they were never truly vegan for the right reason in the first place. I don't think that is true. People go against their moral principles all the time, sadly.
I have a craving for the kaleories.
She sounds extremely self absorbed!
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Hi Mic, I've read the entire academic textbook on intuitive eating and looked at the research. If you look at what intuitive eating ACTUALLY is is not just "eating what you want". They even discuss about veganism and vegetarianism and how to navigate that from a place of intuitive eating. Just thought you should know that this is discussed. Additionally, they talk about all of the concerns that you mentioned and how to navigate cravings vs actual signs of hunger. Finally, they also discuss gentle nutrition as a later part of the practice. I honestly think you would enjoy reading the actual textbook on it which also discusses raising children. I certainly don't think IE is 100% perfect, but I think a lot of your concerns are legitimate and discussed in the actual theory text.
The more I hear her story, the more my eyes are rolling. And yet again, the term “intuitive eating” is being used to mean “eating what I crave.” And also, when veganism is about anything other than the animals, the commitment is false. And that includes “spiritual veganism.” What also happens, all the time, is whenever a vegan gets sick, they are told to eat animal products as a cure all. It’s why I avoid telling doctors I’m vegan if I don’t think they are vegan-friendly. I want my ailments to be taken seriously. I got IBS from stress, and imagine if a doctor said it was because I wasn’t eating eggs. And naturopaths and alt med doctors seem to be the first to throw an egg at someone. But towards the end, she really got the real issue—she wanted the “choices” because not eating animals felt like a restriction to her. That is part of the psychology that separates an ethical vegan from a non-vegan. I think many plant based eaters, for years, still have a subtle belief that they are restricting themselves. Also when veganism is treated like not only a diet but a cure-all and prevent-all, people seem to act betrayed that they get sick while vegan, even if the sickness is MOLD! Like veganism does not prevent mold-based illness or STIs. It can prevent heart disease, but that’s just one way of getting sick.
Another person who is vegan and an IE is Pick Up Limes. She has a free PDF handout about IE. What I also don’t understand is that when vegans crave something that is usually made with animal parts, why not eat the vegan version! Like, if I’m craving a “meaty” burger I’m going to eat a Beyond burger. Because I’m not going to eat an animal.
The only problem with Intuitive Eating is that the dietitians who coined the term didn’t trademark it, so people call whatever they crave IE. That’s not what it means. The only way to understand it is to read the book by the dietitians who coined the term. And there are vegan intuitive eaters. Taylor Wolfram is a vegan RD who promotes intuitive eating. A better description would be “eat when you’re hungry until comfortably full.” The RDs who coined the term do promote “gentle nutrition” but they mention it as one of the last principles, because its clearly geared to people with disordered eating or who have such a hardcore diet mentality that they ignore hunger cues and consider anything unhealthy. Or people who are “unconscious eaters” so they don’t pay attention to hunger cues. IE can help people with binge eating disorders. And it can be done as a vegan. But the caveat is that when you’re truly vegan, as in it’s internalized the ethical framework of knowing that animals matter morally, you don’t see animals as food. With vegan IE, I give myself permission to eat vegan ice cream, Beyond sausage, and vegan food with oil in it. I still don’t eat meat, dairy, eggs, or drink alcohol. But I think anyone who read the book on intuitive eating would also do well to read the book The Pleasure Trap. And also, *eat enough calories.” Many “ex-vegans” aren’t craving meat, they are craving calories. Eat enough carbs to energize the body! Eat enough protein to feel full. And you don’t need to eat animals to do that.
No doubt my intuition caused me to wake up and choose to be vegan. My body doesn’t want to fed by the misery of the animals that I love and respect.
The problem I have with intuitive eating is it is usually the F-at as F's that are saying that they need to be intuitive.. NO they need a slight calorie deficit. Listening to your body is how you got to be f-at as F. Those that are underweight, anything to help promote them to eat more would be good.
See how one answer isn't the answer for all.. That is just 2 groups and there are more. We are each unique and have our own trials and tribulations that we need to go through to get to where we want to be.
Also I know, some people have eating di-sor-ders and it requires more then just eating less/more. My whole stick is on the whole intuitive part.
That being said I can be rather obsessive, so for me relaxing that some helps. I still keep track because I don't want to be a land whale nor do I want to be a twig. Calories count, so I count them. (har har bad pun). Seriously thou, I eat Whole Food Plant based because I want to live to be an old fart. First was purely for health, but as I walked the walk and went on my journey I learned so much more. How it helps reduce my footprint, and also the humanity to other living sentient beings.
At times I think these people who jump on these bandwagons with little research are the same people who only read the headlines and think no one lies to them. I could go into other demographics but I think I made the point without getting political. (blah no politics please the dirty dirty smear merchants are on overtime)
Intuitive eating is tough for someone who takes stimulants for ADHD. I rarely have an appetite before 5 pm so I just don't eat.
Mic, keep on the great work! You nail it scientifically, but maybe holisticly, not soo 😉 Cheers from a 99,9 % Vegan.
To intuitiv eating: In order to really intuitiv eat, i think you have to exercise and meditate and live very consciously, so you really feel yourself and your body. also before and after you ate something, so you can track it by yourself. plus: intuitiv eating doesn't mean, that you can't use science to improve or nail it down, what you already are feeling/experiencing. i think inuition is deeper and better than science ("what we know is a drop, what we don't know is an oecan" – newton #1scientist philosopher), but sadly intuition is off for 90% of people, especially if you were raised on a horrible diet, like the standard american diet. you will associate comfort with certain unhealthy and addictive foods.
ps. you wanna eat and live holistic. so feel and think. before and after. use intuition and science. yin and yang.
@14:22 😂😂😂 the sv3rige giggles!
More and more, my impression gets reinforced: You can tell a lot about how credible a person is, not just by critically analyzing what they say, but by noticing HOW they say it. For example: Yoga girl does not come off as especially credible in this respect.
Eat liver and sardines for vim and vigor 😏👌
While I think that this example of Yoga Girl is just her cheap excuse to go on exploiting animals for the good of her own tastebuds, I still belief that there is also a truth to the belief that our body has the wisdom to know what we need in certain situations. I agree, that our cravings are often result in eating foods rich in calories, but sometimes this makes sense too. But I also experienced different kinds of cravings myself, like I wanted to eat nothing but foods rich in anthocyanins like blueberries, right before I found out, that I had cancer. Or that I always crave cauliflower right before I realize, that I caught a cold.
I think, intuitive eating only applies (or SHOULD apply) to whole foods. If you crave any other food, that is, most processed foods, that's just cravings.
It is crystal clear to me that intuative eating is not the way to go…and thats no Yolk! 🙂
Wow… another vegan's video about this girl 🙄
Come on. You are jelous. Just admit it.
Intuition instead of knowledge? What could go wrong said the caveman to the scientist.
I know it is pertinent to the story, but I always hate having to listen to people like her spewing their wooh wooh lack of knowledge. It's like being stuck at some friend's place where all these people are offering nutritional knowledge that they got from Dr. Oz.
i think you are missing the part of "listening to your body" that doesn't mean eat whatever you crave in the moment. it means when you do eat a bunch of junk, feel miserable the next day. listen to that and the next time you get a craving question if you want to feel that way the next day again. it's about listening to how your body responds to food
"Theres such a freedom in having a choice".. Such a wierd thing to say about eating animals or their "products" for someone who has been vegan for 12 yrs.. The poor animals have neither? 🙁
Has there ever been a cave painting depicting a salad? Many of you vegan fools WILL end up eating meat, because your body will demand it. I understand your reasons, but veganism is not optimal for health. You can fool yourself all you want but you must eat animals for the best health.
Quite honestly, I would have so much more respect for people like Yoga Girl if they just admitted they wanted to eat animal products. Stop with the lame arguments and convoluted, nonsensical nutritional explanations. I get it: people might miss their old foods, or they have forgotten how fresh the horror was re: what is done to animals that they experienced when they first were learning about veganism. Also, I think some people just get tired of swimming against stream, being different as vegans. That happened to my own sister and her entire family. I was shocked when they were at my house and her husband started making a ham and cheese sandwich. I was alarmed, pointing out it wasn't vegan, and he just sort of gestured with his hand that it was okay. I later thought: how does an entire family, at the same time, change their morals? I get one person changing, but all of them? I don't know what to make of it at times…. vegans like to say that if a person relapses, then they were never truly vegan for the right reason in the first place. I don't think that is true. People go against their moral principles all the time, sadly.